Comments on: SuperBoyle http://dudesonhockey.com/2009/04/21/superboyle/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=superboyle Two dudes blogging and podcasting about the San Jose Sharks, straight from sunny California. Thu, 09 Feb 2012 05:29:52 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Brian Boitano http://dudesonhockey.com/2009/04/21/superboyle/#comment-4040 Brian Boitano Fri, 24 Apr 2009 05:20:12 +0000 http://sharks.hockeyanalysis.com/?p=348#comment-4040 Look, Dudes, I know it agitates you, but tonight Patty and Joe earned every bit of criticism they have received. One of the Merc writers was right... if this were any other hockey market they would be bombarded by fans and media criticism. Just plain pathetic effort after the first period. Look, Dudes, I know it agitates you, but tonight Patty and Joe earned every bit of criticism they have received. One of the Merc writers was right… if this were any other hockey market they would be bombarded by fans and media criticism. Just plain pathetic effort after the first period.

]]> By: Brian Boitano http://dudesonhockey.com/2009/04/21/superboyle/#comment-4039 Brian Boitano Fri, 24 Apr 2009 02:38:10 +0000 http://sharks.hockeyanalysis.com/?p=348#comment-4039 Are there, like, 25 people in the Honda Center tonight? WTF Ducks fans??? Are there, like, 25 people in the Honda Center tonight? WTF Ducks fans???

]]> By: Mike http://dudesonhockey.com/2009/04/21/superboyle/#comment-4038 Mike Thu, 23 Apr 2009 00:04:08 +0000 http://sharks.hockeyanalysis.com/?p=348#comment-4038 Jeremy, May be true last night about Boyle on the PK, but if you look at the <a href="http://www.timeonice.com/default.html?GameNumber=30153&submit=Go" rel="nofollow">shift chart</a> you'll see he was on the ice right before 3 of the 4 penalties against the Sharks, so he didn't start on the PK. During the season, he was the 3rd-most used defender on the PK, behind Vlasic and Blake. Also, given his offensive prowess last night, I could see why McLellan wouldn't want to give him shorthanded minutes. As far as calling Boyle a "defensive liability", he's averaged 2.08 ESGA/60, compared to Niedermayer's 2.52. Even if you account for the Sharks being a better defensive team than the Ducks during the year, the Sharks +/- is better when Boyle is on the ice versus when he's not, and Ducks' +/- is worse when SN is on the ice. Even so, I think neither of them are liabilities, and Boyle less so than SN. Boyle also compares favorably to Pronger using the same metrics. Jeremy,

May be true last night about Boyle on the PK, but if you look at the shift chart you’ll see he was on the ice right before 3 of the 4 penalties against the Sharks, so he didn’t start on the PK. During the season, he was the 3rd-most used defender on the PK, behind Vlasic and Blake. Also, given his offensive prowess last night, I could see why McLellan wouldn’t want to give him shorthanded minutes.

As far as calling Boyle a “defensive liability”, he’s averaged 2.08 ESGA/60, compared to Niedermayer’s 2.52. Even if you account for the Sharks being a better defensive team than the Ducks during the year, the Sharks +/- is better when Boyle is on the ice versus when he’s not, and Ducks’ +/- is worse when SN is on the ice. Even so, I think neither of them are liabilities, and Boyle less so than SN.

Boyle also compares favorably to Pronger using the same metrics.

]]> By: Josh39 http://dudesonhockey.com/2009/04/21/superboyle/#comment-4037 Josh39 Wed, 22 Apr 2009 22:40:31 +0000 http://sharks.hockeyanalysis.com/?p=348#comment-4037 Jeremy... you are joking right? Youre telling us Boyle is McLellan's last choice in a defensive situation? Dude, this aint a EEEE adult hockey team where defenders just hold the line. Bro, Boyle is money... you are way off home slice. Jeremy… you are joking right? Youre telling us Boyle is McLellan’s last choice in a defensive situation? Dude, this aint a EEEE adult hockey team where defenders just hold the line. Bro, Boyle is money… you are way off home slice.

]]> By: Jeremy http://dudesonhockey.com/2009/04/21/superboyle/#comment-4036 Jeremy Wed, 22 Apr 2009 22:17:46 +0000 http://sharks.hockeyanalysis.com/?p=348#comment-4036 To defend my statement about Boyle: Based on TOI stats, he was McLellan's last choice of defensemen to be out there in a defensive situation (the PK). He didn't kill any of the last Duck's PP; and he wasn't out there for the final 3 minutes of the game. My comment was meant as praise for McLellan for getting Boyle into situations which are suited for him. I think you'd see similar mistakes from Boyle if he was in Erhoff's place. And to be fair, I think that Niedermayer's shennanigans of playing below the offensive goal line creates uncomfortable defensive situations as well. I'm glad we've got ourselves a series! To defend my statement about Boyle:
Based on TOI stats, he was McLellan’s last choice of defensemen to be out there in a defensive situation (the PK). He didn’t kill any of the last Duck’s PP; and he wasn’t out there for the final 3 minutes of the game.
My comment was meant as praise for McLellan for getting Boyle into situations which are suited for him. I think you’d see similar mistakes from Boyle if he was in Erhoff’s place.
And to be fair, I think that Niedermayer’s shennanigans of playing below the offensive goal line creates uncomfortable defensive situations as well.

I’m glad we’ve got ourselves a series!

]]> By: Brian Boitano http://dudesonhockey.com/2009/04/21/superboyle/#comment-4035 Brian Boitano Wed, 22 Apr 2009 20:40:04 +0000 http://sharks.hockeyanalysis.com/?p=348#comment-4035 One more thing then I'll shut up (maybe). How freaking awesome was Murrays hit on Teemu? Textbook, highlight worthy and maybe series- changing. I think his game last night spelled the end of Shelleys season... but thanks for all you do in the 82 Jody. One more thing then I’ll shut up (maybe). How freaking awesome was Murrays hit on Teemu? Textbook, highlight worthy and maybe series- changing. I think his game last night spelled the end of Shelleys season… but thanks for all you do in the 82 Jody.

]]> By: Evilducks http://dudesonhockey.com/2009/04/21/superboyle/#comment-4034 Evilducks Wed, 22 Apr 2009 20:17:37 +0000 http://sharks.hockeyanalysis.com/?p=348#comment-4034 I don't buy the fact that Boyle is a defensive liability. He made some amazing plays on the puck in the defensive zone. A great diving block when Nabby was out of position. I haven't seen him hand the puck to Getzlaf like some of our other D-men have. Frankly, if it was possible I'd play the guy 60 minutes. He's been solid everywhere. He doesn't get beat, he doesn't turn over the puck, he's fast and rarely gives up odd man rushes when he's pinching up into the offensive play, and when he does, he skates his ass off to get back. Compared to the closest facsimile on the team in Erhoff, it's night and day in the defensive end. I don’t buy the fact that Boyle is a defensive liability. He made some amazing plays on the puck in the defensive zone. A great diving block when Nabby was out of position. I haven’t seen him hand the puck to Getzlaf like some of our other D-men have. Frankly, if it was possible I’d play the guy 60 minutes. He’s been solid everywhere.

He doesn’t get beat, he doesn’t turn over the puck, he’s fast and rarely gives up odd man rushes when he’s pinching up into the offensive play, and when he does, he skates his ass off to get back. Compared to the closest facsimile on the team in Erhoff, it’s night and day in the defensive end.

]]> By: cantstopthegrier http://dudesonhockey.com/2009/04/21/superboyle/#comment-4033 cantstopthegrier Wed, 22 Apr 2009 20:13:34 +0000 http://sharks.hockeyanalysis.com/?p=348#comment-4033 Jeremy: I gotta disagree with you. Boyle was far from a defensive liability last night, he was an animal out there and broke up many plays, blocked three shots, played on the kill. Comparing him to Cheechoo defensively is not really fair to his overall skill level, especially his effort last night. Jeremy: I gotta disagree with you. Boyle was far from a defensive liability last night, he was an animal out there and broke up many plays, blocked three shots, played on the kill. Comparing him to Cheechoo defensively is not really fair to his overall skill level, especially his effort last night.

]]> By: Jeremy http://dudesonhockey.com/2009/04/21/superboyle/#comment-4032 Jeremy Wed, 22 Apr 2009 19:56:17 +0000 http://sharks.hockeyanalysis.com/?p=348#comment-4032 The Sharks didn't do anything to make me overly nervous about the rest of the series. Sure they broke through on the PP, but the Ducks haven't cooled off on their PP. Boyle had a nice night, but a lot of that has to go to the coach who's doing his best to keep Boyle away from Anaheim's top line - he knows Boyle is a defensive liability (also the reason he's not Smythe worhty). Seems that McLellan also realizes Cheechoo's limited ability based on ice time. We all knew this wasn't going to be a sweep. And with all the scoring from defensemen, the question is: whose top offensive threats (Selanne, Perry, Thornton, Michalek) show up first? The Sharks didn’t do anything to make me overly nervous about the rest of the series. Sure they broke through on the PP, but the Ducks haven’t cooled off on their PP. Boyle had a nice night, but a lot of that has to go to the coach who’s doing his best to keep Boyle away from Anaheim’s top line – he knows Boyle is a defensive liability (also the reason he’s not Smythe worhty). Seems that McLellan also realizes Cheechoo’s limited ability based on ice time.

We all knew this wasn’t going to be a sweep. And with all the scoring from defensemen, the question is: whose top offensive threats (Selanne, Perry, Thornton, Michalek) show up first?

]]> By: tealfan http://dudesonhockey.com/2009/04/21/superboyle/#comment-4031 tealfan Wed, 22 Apr 2009 18:57:24 +0000 http://sharks.hockeyanalysis.com/?p=348#comment-4031 Awesome! Just imagine it could have been 4-1! Two of the goals were completely the Sharks' fault and were avoidable. One was kicked in by Nabby. The other one was because Pavelski passed it right to Pronger. Awesome!

Just imagine it could have been 4-1! Two of the goals were completely the Sharks’ fault and were avoidable. One was kicked in by Nabby. The other one was because Pavelski passed it right to Pronger.

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