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		<title>By: Evilducks</title>
		<link>http://dudesonhockey.com/2009/11/13/whos-the-goat/#comment-4983</link>
		<dc:creator>Evilducks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 04:11:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pollak update with McLellan on why he went with Vesce:

“Why did I use him in the shootout? For a few reasons. One, he’s very good in Worcester. He scores and that’s part of the development process. Two, the day before in practice, we had a shootout and he was very good. Three, very few goaltenders know him.

“Those were the reasons why. The negatives on the bench, when we were deciding, were that he was a little bit cold, he hadn’t played the last part of the game. But sometimes it’s good to show confidence in those types of players and let them know you believe in them.”

So yeah, pretty much the practice thing and the fact goalies don&#039;t know what to expect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pollak update with McLellan on why he went with Vesce:</p>
<p>“Why did I use him in the shootout? For a few reasons. One, he’s very good in Worcester. He scores and that’s part of the development process. Two, the day before in practice, we had a shootout and he was very good. Three, very few goaltenders know him.</p>
<p>“Those were the reasons why. The negatives on the bench, when we were deciding, were that he was a little bit cold, he hadn’t played the last part of the game. But sometimes it’s good to show confidence in those types of players and let them know you believe in them.”</p>
<p>So yeah, pretty much the practice thing and the fact goalies don&#8217;t know what to expect.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Plank</title>
		<link>http://dudesonhockey.com/2009/11/13/whos-the-goat/#comment-4982</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Plank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 03:50:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice find Doug. Here&#039;s what I got:

McGinn-Couture-Malhotra
Staubitz-Nichol-Ortmeyer

Gives the kid some better looks and keeps the fourth line solid defensively. I doubt it happens with the whole &quot;earn your spot&quot; manifesto management currently has in place, but a blogger can dream right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice find Doug. Here&#8217;s what I got:</p>
<p>McGinn-Couture-Malhotra<br />
Staubitz-Nichol-Ortmeyer</p>
<p>Gives the kid some better looks and keeps the fourth line solid defensively. I doubt it happens with the whole &#8220;earn your spot&#8221; manifesto management currently has in place, but a blogger can dream right?</p>
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		<title>By: Evilducks</title>
		<link>http://dudesonhockey.com/2009/11/13/whos-the-goat/#comment-4981</link>
		<dc:creator>Evilducks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 00:54:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just for more fun... Shootout superstars:

Jussi Jokinen 24 of 44
Vyacheslav Kozlov 24 of 41
Ales Kotalik 20 of 38
Erik Christensen 17 of 31
Wojtek Wolski 17 of 30
Joe Pavelski 14 of 25
Patrick Kane 11 of 22
Patrick O&#039;Sulliven 11 of 22
Jamie Langenbrunner 11 of 22
Jonathan Toews 9 of 15

That&#039;s all the guys with 15 or more shots that maintain above a 50% shootout average.  Lots of superstars in that mix.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just for more fun&#8230; Shootout superstars:</p>
<p>Jussi Jokinen 24 of 44<br />
Vyacheslav Kozlov 24 of 41<br />
Ales Kotalik 20 of 38<br />
Erik Christensen 17 of 31<br />
Wojtek Wolski 17 of 30<br />
Joe Pavelski 14 of 25<br />
Patrick Kane 11 of 22<br />
Patrick O&#8217;Sulliven 11 of 22<br />
Jamie Langenbrunner 11 of 22<br />
Jonathan Toews 9 of 15</p>
<p>That&#8217;s all the guys with 15 or more shots that maintain above a 50% shootout average.  Lots of superstars in that mix.</p>
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		<title>By: Evilducks</title>
		<link>http://dudesonhockey.com/2009/11/13/whos-the-goat/#comment-4980</link>
		<dc:creator>Evilducks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 00:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you on Clowe, as that&#039;s who I would have gone with.  Using salary was my bad, saw that somewhere else.

I hate when we pick Seto or Heater to shoot, they&#039;re terrible at it.  I&#039;d rather see what some of the newer guys can do frankly because they stink.

Seto is 1 for 6 all time and Heater is 4 for 21.  Marleau is no wonder boy at 5 for 17.

Your horses are anemic in the shootout.

Why not find out what some of our less known guys can do?  Considering some of the best shootout shooters out there are guys like Jussi Jokinen, Joe Pavelski and Wojtek Wolski, you don&#039;t always get shootout wins from your normal go to guys.  Like you said, you wouldn&#039;t put Joe out there, why would you put Heater out there?  Nobody is going to pass it to him in the slot where he can get a wicked one timer off before the goalie can react.  Thats where most of his goals come from.

I wouldn&#039;t have anchored the line-up with Vesce either, I would have put him second.  Pavs is an excellent lead off guy and go with somebody you trust as the anchor, put new guys in for the 2nd shooter.  I&#039;d like to see McGinn, Couture, Malhotra, Ferriero, etc.  See what they can do, because frankly we don&#039;t know... and neither does their goalie.


Oh, our superstars aren&#039;t the only ones that suck at the shootout.  Ovechkin is 12 for 40, Lecavalier is 12 for 39, Malkin is 5 for 25, Gaborik is 1 for 13, Kovulchuck is 7 for 30.

They may be superstars in hockey, they&#039;re AHL candidates in the shootout.  Scoring in the shootout has absolutely nothing to do with the way most goals are scored.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you on Clowe, as that&#8217;s who I would have gone with.  Using salary was my bad, saw that somewhere else.</p>
<p>I hate when we pick Seto or Heater to shoot, they&#8217;re terrible at it.  I&#8217;d rather see what some of the newer guys can do frankly because they stink.</p>
<p>Seto is 1 for 6 all time and Heater is 4 for 21.  Marleau is no wonder boy at 5 for 17.</p>
<p>Your horses are anemic in the shootout.</p>
<p>Why not find out what some of our less known guys can do?  Considering some of the best shootout shooters out there are guys like Jussi Jokinen, Joe Pavelski and Wojtek Wolski, you don&#8217;t always get shootout wins from your normal go to guys.  Like you said, you wouldn&#8217;t put Joe out there, why would you put Heater out there?  Nobody is going to pass it to him in the slot where he can get a wicked one timer off before the goalie can react.  Thats where most of his goals come from.</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t have anchored the line-up with Vesce either, I would have put him second.  Pavs is an excellent lead off guy and go with somebody you trust as the anchor, put new guys in for the 2nd shooter.  I&#8217;d like to see McGinn, Couture, Malhotra, Ferriero, etc.  See what they can do, because frankly we don&#8217;t know&#8230; and neither does their goalie.</p>
<p>Oh, our superstars aren&#8217;t the only ones that suck at the shootout.  Ovechkin is 12 for 40, Lecavalier is 12 for 39, Malkin is 5 for 25, Gaborik is 1 for 13, Kovulchuck is 7 for 30.</p>
<p>They may be superstars in hockey, they&#8217;re AHL candidates in the shootout.  Scoring in the shootout has absolutely nothing to do with the way most goals are scored.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
		<link>http://dudesonhockey.com/2009/11/13/whos-the-goat/#comment-4978</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 00:14:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like it&#039;s Logan Couture joining the club for Saturday since he is not playing tonight vs. the Lowell Devils and Torrey Mitchell is. We might finally see McGinn and Couture on a line together which could produce some pretty exciting 4th line shifts.

http://theahl.com/stats/game-summary.php?game_id=1006277

Evil: In my brilliant baseball analogy (Mike&#039;s true favorite sport) I never mention salary. It&#039;s not like I&#039;m calling for Joe Thornton to shoot. It has nothing to do with who&#039;s the highest paid, Pavs sure isn&#039;t (well...this year). It&#039;s about who could have gotten us two points and I would have picked Clowe or Marleau, even Seto and Heater, every single time over Ryan Vesce and twice on Sundays...and three times on Easter Sunday....is this joke wearing thin? It&#039;s true, we don&#039;t know who rules the shootout in practice, but we sure know Clowe&#039;s near 50% conversion rate - whether people know his move or not, he still scores. Go down with your horses, not a hunch. GO SHARKS!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like it&#8217;s Logan Couture joining the club for Saturday since he is not playing tonight vs. the Lowell Devils and Torrey Mitchell is. We might finally see McGinn and Couture on a line together which could produce some pretty exciting 4th line shifts.</p>
<p><a href="http://theahl.com/stats/game-summary.php?game_id=1006277" rel="nofollow">http://theahl.com/stats/game-summary.php?game_id=1006277</a></p>
<p>Evil: In my brilliant baseball analogy (Mike&#8217;s true favorite sport) I never mention salary. It&#8217;s not like I&#8217;m calling for Joe Thornton to shoot. It has nothing to do with who&#8217;s the highest paid, Pavs sure isn&#8217;t (well&#8230;this year). It&#8217;s about who could have gotten us two points and I would have picked Clowe or Marleau, even Seto and Heater, every single time over Ryan Vesce and twice on Sundays&#8230;and three times on Easter Sunday&#8230;.is this joke wearing thin? It&#8217;s true, we don&#8217;t know who rules the shootout in practice, but we sure know Clowe&#8217;s near 50% conversion rate &#8211; whether people know his move or not, he still scores. Go down with your horses, not a hunch. GO SHARKS!</p>
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		<title>By: Evilducks</title>
		<link>http://dudesonhockey.com/2009/11/13/whos-the-goat/#comment-4977</link>
		<dc:creator>Evilducks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 21:59:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rest easy friends.  According to the update at WTC Vesce has been sent down, we won&#039;t see him missing any shoot out shots for the moment.

Also, Shelley is out for at least 2 more games...

We have an opening in the forward lines, who&#039;s coming up?

Could it be Mitchell?

Speculate!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rest easy friends.  According to the update at WTC Vesce has been sent down, we won&#8217;t see him missing any shoot out shots for the moment.</p>
<p>Also, Shelley is out for at least 2 more games&#8230;</p>
<p>We have an opening in the forward lines, who&#8217;s coming up?</p>
<p>Could it be Mitchell?</p>
<p>Speculate!</p>
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		<title>By: Evilducks</title>
		<link>http://dudesonhockey.com/2009/11/13/whos-the-goat/#comment-4976</link>
		<dc:creator>Evilducks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 21:54:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It probably came down to what the coaches have seen from him in practice.

Mostly I just hate the shootout and get some what annoyed when people think we should just put the highest paid players in there despite the reality of the situation.

My big gripe is that he was cold and would have rather seen Clowe take the shot. I don&#039;t like Heatley in the shootout at all, despite his very recent success.  The numbers just aren&#039;t in his favor.  But even then, I&#039;m sure you&#039;ve seen all the whining about Clowe taking shootout attempts recently because he only has &#039;one move&#039; and every goalie knows what he&#039;s going to do.

I think Vesce had an opening but lost the puck, it happens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It probably came down to what the coaches have seen from him in practice.</p>
<p>Mostly I just hate the shootout and get some what annoyed when people think we should just put the highest paid players in there despite the reality of the situation.</p>
<p>My big gripe is that he was cold and would have rather seen Clowe take the shot. I don&#8217;t like Heatley in the shootout at all, despite his very recent success.  The numbers just aren&#8217;t in his favor.  But even then, I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;ve seen all the whining about Clowe taking shootout attempts recently because he only has &#8216;one move&#8217; and every goalie knows what he&#8217;s going to do.</p>
<p>I think Vesce had an opening but lost the puck, it happens.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://dudesonhockey.com/2009/11/13/whos-the-goat/#comment-4975</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 21:47:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with most of what you said here.  But my point wasn&#039;t that Vesce&#039;s inclusion in the shootout was a mistake.  My point was that he was included in the shootout instead of the second best shootout player on the team.  I looked, but couldn&#039;t find, AHL shootout records.  It&#039;s possible that Vesce was lights-out in shootouts for Worchester, which would make me soften a bit.  Even if not, throw him in as the #4 or #5 guy if it gets that far.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with most of what you said here.  But my point wasn&#8217;t that Vesce&#8217;s inclusion in the shootout was a mistake.  My point was that he was included in the shootout instead of the second best shootout player on the team.  I looked, but couldn&#8217;t find, AHL shootout records.  It&#8217;s possible that Vesce was lights-out in shootouts for Worchester, which would make me soften a bit.  Even if not, throw him in as the #4 or #5 guy if it gets that far.</p>
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		<title>By: Evilducks</title>
		<link>http://dudesonhockey.com/2009/11/13/whos-the-goat/#comment-4974</link>
		<dc:creator>Evilducks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 21:39:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Except those situations are what those players are paid to do.  If you two on and two outs who would you send to the free throw line to make a basket?  Does it matter if it&#039;s a AAA player if he&#039;s better at shooting the ball?  

The only problem I have with the Vesce choice was that he was cold, I don&#039;t care what his apparent spot in the roster is because making a shootout goal has nothing to do with actual hockey skills ability.  Heatley&#039;s best ability is his one timer and getting to the open spots, not applicable.  Joe is that he can see the ice probably better than 99.9% of the league, not applicable.  Patty is fast as hell (and probably should take more shootouts) but that rarely helps in the shootout as well.  Clowe is excellent at cleaning up garbage, don&#039;t think you can play rebounds in the shootout.

Vesce&#039;s knock is he&#039;s too small for the NHL.  That&#039;s not a problem in the shootout.  The guy might have a great wrister, could deke really well and we just don&#039;t know because even Marcel Goc can muscle him off a puck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Except those situations are what those players are paid to do.  If you two on and two outs who would you send to the free throw line to make a basket?  Does it matter if it&#8217;s a AAA player if he&#8217;s better at shooting the ball?  </p>
<p>The only problem I have with the Vesce choice was that he was cold, I don&#8217;t care what his apparent spot in the roster is because making a shootout goal has nothing to do with actual hockey skills ability.  Heatley&#8217;s best ability is his one timer and getting to the open spots, not applicable.  Joe is that he can see the ice probably better than 99.9% of the league, not applicable.  Patty is fast as hell (and probably should take more shootouts) but that rarely helps in the shootout as well.  Clowe is excellent at cleaning up garbage, don&#8217;t think you can play rebounds in the shootout.</p>
<p>Vesce&#8217;s knock is he&#8217;s too small for the NHL.  That&#8217;s not a problem in the shootout.  The guy might have a great wrister, could deke really well and we just don&#8217;t know because even Marcel Goc can muscle him off a puck.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
		<link>http://dudesonhockey.com/2009/11/13/whos-the-goat/#comment-4973</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 21:07:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate to cross over to another sport, but would you let a AAA player hit with two on and two outs and the game on the line if you had a proven veteran with a hot streak on the bench? That&#039;s what McLellan did...and I hope he doesn&#039;t do it again. Putting Vesce in the clean up spot when he had two of the best goal scorers in the NHL in Marleau and Heatley and shootout ace Clowe staring back at him was the wrong call. I doubt it will happen again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate to cross over to another sport, but would you let a AAA player hit with two on and two outs and the game on the line if you had a proven veteran with a hot streak on the bench? That&#8217;s what McLellan did&#8230;and I hope he doesn&#8217;t do it again. Putting Vesce in the clean up spot when he had two of the best goal scorers in the NHL in Marleau and Heatley and shootout ace Clowe staring back at him was the wrong call. I doubt it will happen again.</p>
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