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August 24th, 2010, 8:32 am
Still very little movement in the world of NHL hockey, so the Dudes go back to an old standby – ESPN’s EJ Hradek. Mike and Doug question EJ about his comments regarding Antti Niemi, and the possible free agent fit for the Sharks’ defensive needs. Also, special bonus content is revealed this week, but you’ll have to listen to find out.
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August 18th, 2010, 8:39 pm
Not a whole lot happening in the world of the San Jose Sharks, so Mike and Doug move scattershot over the barren news landscape for crumbs. Tomas Kaberle, Kevin Bieksa, Antti Niemi, and your emails will do nicely.
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August 11th, 2010, 10:01 am
I’m only partly joking. The cornerstone of sports fandom, especially hockey fandom, is argument. Who’s better this year, the Caps or the Canucks? Who’s the best player of all time, Gretzky, Orr, or Lemieux? While the first question will be easy enough to answer (look at the eventual standings and playoff achievment), the second is just good clean fun. Corey Pronman, over at Puck Prospectus, has modified a scale used for baseball prospect scouting to break hockey into tools and ratings, called the 20-80 system.
Tools:
- Skating (Acceleration, stride, top speed, turning/edge control)
- Puck Skills (Passing, stick-handling etc.)
- Shot (Accuracy, velocity, release)
- Physical Game(Size, strength, able to handle physicality)
- Hockey Sense (Decision-making, awareness, smarts
and Ratings:
- 20: Can barely perform this skill, there are 13 and 14 year old amateur players who can do this skill better. Think Derek Boogaard’s hockey sense for example.
- 30: Significantly below average (minus minus), isn’t beer league quality but it’s nowhere near the NHL level. Think Georges Laraque’s puck skills or Hall Gill’s skating.
- 40: Below NHL average (minus), this skill isn’t completely out of the league but it’s still a good notch below. Examples are Marc Andre Fleury’s rebound control or Jack Johnson’s hockey sense.
- 50: NHL average, think Marco Sturm’s puck skills, Justin William’s shot.
- 60: Above NHL average (plus), this is an all-star level skill. Examples are Jonathan Toews’ skating, Mike Richard’s physical game, David Booth’s shot.
- 70: Significantly above average (plus plus), this skill is one of the best in the game and is in an elite class. This is a grade rarely given out. Steve Stamkos’ shot, Chris Prongers’, physical game, Nicklas Lidstrom’s hockey sense, and Alex Ovechkin’s skating are examples.
- 80: Generational talent, an extremely rare grade to be given out for any skill. Examples of what an 80 grade is include Bobby Orr’s skating, Al MacInnis’ shot, Wayne Gretzky’s hockey sense.
This could be fun. Read the article for an example of a rating for a current NHL player, and how one might rate prospects and players. Also, Corey is now involved in a website called premiumscouting.com, which is currently doing team reports, and hopefully will soon have scouting reports (and ratings) for individual prospects.
Even though I’m not a scout, and have no history of rating players, and no training in doing so, I DO have a blog! That means I can speak with authority on damn near anything! I’m going to try and rate Joe Thornton, and maybe that’ll start an argument in the comments.
- Skating – 45. Joe can get around just fine, but won’t win any speed or agility contests. He doesn’t pivot on a dime or get around anybody due to his skating, more his body.
- Puck Skills – 65. I’m only going 65 here because although his passing is maybe the best of his generation, his puck handling isn’t. He’s able to protect the puck well, but I wonder if that’s hockey sense and physicality rather than puck skills.
- Shot – 40. Joe can shoot? Accuracy is probably about league average.
- Physical Game – 60. While Joe doesn’t level too many hits, he’s extremely difficult to knock off the puck, and has an incredible reach that he can use on either the forehand or backhand side.
- Hockey Sense – 60. Excellent at finding the open man and knowing where his teammates are. Couple that with his passing skills, and you get highlight reel clips fairly often. What doesn’t make Sportscenter are his turnovers, sometimes in particularly devastating areas of the ice. Those happen too often for his hockey sense to be considered ‘elite’ in my view.
Remember I have my dispassionate hockey hat on. What do you think? Too harsh? Too lenient?
August 10th, 2010, 8:36 am
Doug returns from his summer vacation, and the Dudes try and catch up on all the news. Setoguchi, Mayers, Joslin, Kovalchuk, and Niemi are all discussed. After some emails, the Dudes finally reveal who they are going to follow in the EPL, a matter of some controversy.
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August 5th, 2010, 9:52 am
After a few days of rumors, TSN is now reporting the finalization of a deal between the Sharks and Jamal Mayers. Mayers, a big forward who has played most of his career with the Blues, is clearly meant to be a physical presence on the fourth line, probably with Scott Nichol. For $600k, this is an upgrade over Brad Staubitz. Mayers hasn’t played an AHL game since 1999, so those that would want to paint this guy as a marginal NHLer aren’t being accurate. His best year points wise was only two years ago with St. Louis, 12 goals and 15 assists. And he has traditionally played quite a bit of PK time, not much this past season, but 1:46/game with the Leafs in 08-09, and 3rd on the team in SH ice time with the Blues in 07-08.
I don’t have any problem with Mayers as a player, and we could use some toughness with Staubitz gone. But what about Frazer McLaren? I’m still a big booster of this guy, and desperately hope that this signing doesn’t relegate McLaren to the AHL again this year. McLaren did have 6 points in 23 games for the big club last year (a slightly better scoring rate than Mayers) and had 15 points in 52 games for the Worchester Sharks, with some PK time as well. It might not be the move I would make for this team, but it certainly fits Doug Wilson’s pattern of signing character veterans. Either that or he’s going for the All-NHL Eyebrow team, and McLaren just doesn’t cut it.
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August 2nd, 2010, 9:46 am
Well, it turns out even the $2.75M arbitration award was too rich for the Blackhawks’ blood. They ditch Niemi and sign Marty Turco for one year, $1.3M. I guess you could say Doug Wilson’s evil plan of signing Hjalmarsson to an offer sheet really paid off. The Hawks now have to go with a goaltender who’s last 5 years of save percentage are .898, .910, .909, .898, and .913. I consider .900 to be the Mendoza line for goaltenders, and .910 is roughly NHL average.
The Hawks are delightfully, wonderfully screwed for goalies. According to Hockey’s Future, the Hawks have only one goaltending prospect in their top 20, Alec Richards at #11. Richards posted great numbers his last year at Yale, but has been unable to crack the magical .900 mark in either the ECHL (in a full season) or the AHL (only six games). A blue chipper this guy ain’t.
The annoying thing about Turco is his ability to play well against the Sharks. Each of the past three years Turco has posted a better save percentage against the Sharks than his season average. It’s not statistically huge, but it’s irritating. I guess the one upside is we are only facing the Hawks four times this year, versus the customary six against Dallas.
July 31st, 2010, 12:38 pm
New word on Seto, he got one year, $1.8M. That’s better than we had hoped for, and in line with what Doug said. This is another incarnation of the Ryane Clowe situation from a couple of years ago- we’re not sure if you can take this to the next level, so we’ll give you one year, retain your RFA rights, and see what you can do. There’s no reason to lock up a guy as inconsistent as Seto has been the last year. He scored 31 goals two years ago (on a line with Jumbo) but last year, only 20. Doug Wilson has made two statements in the last week that crystallize his philosophy on this kind of thing. About Joe: “we want to create an environment where people want to stay,” and about Seto: “we have very high expectations.” Translation? You play well this year, meat, and show us you’re a top 6 forward all the time, and we will reward you next year. Could it be a sign-and-trade like the next guy? I doubt it.
Second good news- the Ducks trade their second best defenseman, James Wisniewski, who just got a $3.25M arbitration award contract, to the Islanders for a third round pick. My first reaction- what a terrible deal for the Ducks. Makes me happy. I read Sleek’s post, and at least according to him, it’s about cash. But to me, you don’t give up your second best defensemen for a third round pick. Stupid. Now, after Visnovsky, the obvious #1, they have Toni Lydman, Luca Sbisa, Sheldon Brookbank, Brendan Mikkelson, and Danny Syvret. Think about that the next time you are bitching about the Sharks’ blue line. Bob Murray may be the best thing to happen to San Jose hockey in a long time.
The one loss is that Antti Niemi got a much lower arbitration award than we had hoped for- only $2.75M. This is probably low enough for the Hawks to do some more shuffling and fit him in somewhere under the cap. There’s little doubt that Huet and his $5M+ contract will be dumped in the minors this year, even if Niemi isn’t re-signed. There’s just no way for the Hawks to afford him, and can you say Huet will really be much better than a minor leaguer? The Hawks dodged a big bullet here- I though $4M was too much to wish for but over $3M was certainly in the cards.
The fourth piece of news is less polarizing – a two year, $2.5M extension for Jason Demers starting next year. He will still make $543k this year. Demers looks like a good young defensemen, one that hopefully will be a bargain a $1.25M a year from now. But it’s uncertain. I like Demers, hope he continues to improve, and this contract is movable if he doesn’t fit into the plans. It’s a safe signing, and not bad for the Sharks, so I call it a small win.
July 28th, 2010, 9:10 pm
The Dudes tackle this week of scant Sharks news with aplomb, and knock out Steven Zalewski, Alex Ponikarovsky, Alex Frolov, and several listener emails. Then Mike and Doug try and guess who might be this year’s “Manny Malhotra”, and finish up with an entirely new idea, hopefully listeners will join in!
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July 22nd, 2010, 8:48 am
Now that the Kovy deal has been rejected, and no better description of the NHL’s flip-floppery exists than here, on Deadspin of all places, it’s basically impossible to predict what will happen next. But my money is on the Devils restructuring the deal slightly so that the NHL cap guys only chuckle to themselves instead of blow coffee out of their noses. That appears to be the test that these contracts are subjected to. A quirky smile means A-OK (Franzen, Ohlund), a girlish giggle will pass (Luongo, Zetterburg), and even a hearty laugh will squeak by (Pronger, Hossa, Lecavalier, Savard). But a snarf on the keyboard? Get that $%^! out of here. As always, behindthenet puts the numbers behind the laughter quotient.
One interesting consequence of these contracts is what it does to the escrow situation, an obscure provision of the CBA, but one that affects all players. For the ultra-mathy, dig deep into the details with this post by Tyler Dellow, but let me give you the quick-and-dirty. The salary cap is a hard one- the owners will pay exactly 57% of revenues to the players this season. However, they don’t know what the actual revenues will be until the season is over, so they do some estimations, and hold back a portion of every player’s salary in escrow accounts. But here’s the needle- they will pay 57% of the actual salaries, not the cap hits. So for all of those players that are actually making more than their cap hits (mostly superstars), that drives up the total salary number, which means the escrow withholding is bigger. And even if the NHL was exactly correct in estimating revenues, the fact that these players made more than their cap hits (calculated based on estimated revenue), that means it’s likely that some or all of that escrow money will go back to the owners.
So the guys that are taking home their cap hit – middle and lower tier players like Scott Nichol – end up with a greater portion of their salary withheld. These stars are feeding off of the collective, with the idea that they will give back when their salaries eventually are lower than their cap hits. But we know that these players like Hossa, Luongo, and Kovy will likely retire before they fulfill that part of the contract. They won’t have to pay the piper at the end, they’ll be on a beach somewhere. I’ve read some stuff that the escrow number could be as high as 20% under some conditions, and that takes a whole hundred grand off of a guy that’s making the league minimum. Not cool.
July 21st, 2010, 7:51 am
The Dudes were all set to talk about the Kovalchuk contract, but then the NHL goes and rejects it. Mike and Doug try and figure out why that happened when the Hossa and Keith deals sailed through, and the interesting story of Simon Gagne. There’s a good listener email about Big Joe, and Doug pulls out another crazy trade.
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