DOH 102 – Seto and Pavs
June 2nd, 2010, 8:47 am
The Dudes turn to the two big RFAs on the Sharks – Devin Setoguchi and Joe Pavelski. Mike and Doug try to identify comparable players around the league, and estimate the kind of money required to sign them, as well as the threshold (if any) where the Sharks should let them go. Also a rash of signings in the past week, and the Dudes give their take on what these young players might contribute to the big club in the future.
Podcast: Play in new window | Download
Subscribe: RSS
Loading ...
HAHA I think the Julien Demers moment may go down as one of the funniest in podcast history. Hilarious stuff, I was dying.
As for the rest, I think Ryan Kesler and Jordan Staal are really good comparables with Joe Pavelski considering their age, two way play, and point production. That puts Pavs somewhere around the $4.5 M mark, which I believe is what you guys came up with.
I find it unlikely Setoguchi makes under $3.0 M per year considering his ceiling and point production. That puts him nearly a full million dollars under Ryane Clowe which seems out of place. If he climbs up to $3.25 M (a decent ballpark, I think) do you really let him go? I’d much rather jettison Clowe and keep the young 23 year old sniper, but that’s just me.
Good podcast as always, and it’s nice to see the overwhelming support for Marleau on the side poll. Hopefully Hradek was wrong when he said earlier in the season that San Jose would stick with Nabokov.
Great podcast dudes.
Those names you threw out were exactly the kind of players I was thinking about.
I also like Wideman and Siendenberg. I agree with you Mike in that this off season should be very exciting and there are many options for the Sharks. Great news for us!
And yes I’m still listening… I love the arm chair GM stuff so I’ll be listening all summer!
I’ve been meaning to ask you Doug, ever have any interest in starting a Giants blog?
Mike that was awesome, I was dying while listening Dougs reaction was priceless. Its going to be an interesting off season for sure. Looking forward too more podcasts to save me from a summer of “This just in Brian Burke sneazed!”. Great work as always keep it up!
Another thing we might have to consider when estimating the contracts for Pavs and Seto is the Doug Wilson bump. When he’s decided to keep his own players, he’s been pretty generous. I get that all GMs are guilty of this and on some level this is a gesture of good will, so I’m not criticizing Wilson for it. But, the only times that come to mind when he seemingly played it “market value” was the first Pavs extension for 2 years and the 1-year deal for Clowe prior to last year’s extension (coming off his injury season). Otherwise, I think for some of the extensions he’s signed, especially recently knowing that we would be tight against the cap like last off-season, we would like the cap hit to be a little lower.
Clowe was older and didn’t have Seto’s track record, but he still received a $3.625M per year. We all respect Murray, but his $2.5M cap hit caused a slight pause at signing. Everyone had issues with Huskins’ $1.7M cap hit having played zero games for SJ and now we’re all kind of regretting Mitchell’s $1.37M cap hit, which was given to him after playing missing an entire season and playing a handful of playoff games. If you go back further, there’s Matt Carle’s extension ($3.44M per) and the podcast talked about Michalek already.
It just seems/feels like we’re going to have to pay over $8M combined to keep them both.
I hate that I think you’re right.
Regarding the Demers “brothers”… in all fairness, Mike was half right.
That got an audible laugh. Good stuff.
I’m glad it was after hours when I listened to this at work, because I laughed a little too hard at the Demers gaffe. I felt bad, too, because I knew he was confusing them with the actual brothers who were drafted that year, but I couldn’t come up with their names.
Just looked it up — Justin and Drew Daniels. That was going to bug me.
I KNEW IT. Same initials even! Thanks Tiffany.
You’re welcome Mike!
This is way cool.
http://www.capgeek.com/charts.php?Team=3