DOH 334 – Two On Nashville
May 2nd, 2016, 7:54 pm
The Sharks continue their postseason roll by winning the first two against the Predators- at home no less. The Dudes break down those games and try to identify keys as to why the Sharks are beating the team that dispatched the Ducks.
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Great episode as always. Rainbows and unicorns. Fingers crossed for a split in Music City. Surprised you didn’t address the DB22 story. Keep ’em coming. Go Sharks!
Mike is sitting pretty on the Vegas bet for once. Matt Murray looks unbeatable. He is now 14-3 as a starter including the playoffs. Could an East team finally take back the Cup?
The tickets are too expensive for most people, especially lower bowl.
Also there is the Warriors and the Giants.
But its mainly that they upped the cost for tickets due to the shitty tv deal they have.
I’d be glad if Burns didn’t get the Norris, but got the Conn Smythe instead.
There is a glass half-empty / half-full aspect to this series following game 3. SJ has been outplayed 2/3 games but still leads the series. SJ lack of physical play is an Achilles heel. Not sure if moving Marleau off his 3rd line C position is a good idea considering how well the team has played with him there. Going way out on a limb: game 4 winning team takes the series.
3 things the Sharks need to fix. Match the Preds physical game, i.e. stop getting outhit by 10+ hits. Win the special teams battle, because their top line as been shut down by Weber/Jossi. Teach Martin Jones how to make a glove save … Preds won 3/4 road games vs the Ducks. If they go to SJ 2-2, they’ll take the series. Sharks need to win game 4.
I expect to see an increased effort tonight.
Helene Elliott points out:
“Wondering if Kings GM Dean Lombardi will hold season wrap-up presser with media before conference finals begin….2 wks since eliminated.”
This is a LONG time to not address the media after being ousted. I’m hoping it’s because there is too much in-fighting to present a unified message 🙂
Saw the dudes’ OT tweet. Have to disagree completely! Refs took away a good goal and a highlight reel play from Pavs. Even JR and AC said it was a goal. Then the officials inexplicably called only 2 min on Weber when Martin was bleeding. Series should be 3-1. Instead it’s 2-2 and I don’t think they can come back with Rinne this hot and the top line bring shut down by Weber/Josi.
Agreed, but it’s even worse than that. Interference ain’t subject to video review. Original call was Pavs touched the puck with his hand. Refs broke the rules by then using video review to nullify the goal on interference grounds. Um, what? So there are actually 3 blown calls on the play. 1) Using video review for goalie interference, which is not allowed 2) Not calling the cross check that led to Pavs hitting Rinne 3) The original wrong call of Pavs handling the puck
It’s actually a big issue in the NHL that refs will break rules in order to protect what they think is the “spirit” of the rule. Like the huh stick that had Martin bleeding and should have been 4 min. Nowhere in the rules foes it say “previous injuries excepted.” It says if you’re bleeding it’s 4 min. Black and white.
Not true. See rule 38.4 which was added last year. I’m guessing you read Bakers Twitter feed, but he corrected himself. The issue rests solely on incidental contact. I thought it was the best goal I’ve seen by a Sharks player in years. Pavs had been getting slashed and cross checked in front of the net all night. Withstood the hits and still scored. Consider the precedent now set: can’t imagine what isn’t goalie interference after this.
Habs fan here who likes the podcast. A long time ago Mike quoted a book analyzing why home teams have a better record. The reason was the refs slightly favor the home team. Perfect example last night. If that is in SJ it’s a Pavelski OT winner and a minor penalty on Weber for x checking. As a hockey fan, my question is why these calls always seem to go against the offence in a league desperate for more goals.
I think you mean Gaustad, not Weber.
Yes, Gaustad, thanks. Weber committed so many penalties I assumed it was him!
Yes, Pavs was pushed into Rinne. Would have been a tap-in goal otherwise. But people are forgetting the “even out” strategy NHL refs are taught. There was no way the officials were going to let 2 lengthy video reviews go against the Preds. Were it not for that earlier on sides / off sides review, it might have been a different verdict on the Pavs goal. Refs do not want the papers to read 2 video replays go against the Preds. They’d much rather have it read, 1 video reply for for the Sharks, the other for the Preds. I’m not saying that’s right, I’m just saying that’s how it is. Just like the way the refs always try to even out the number of power plays, even if one team is committing more than the other.
Was the forward pushed into the goalie? Yes. Good goal. End of story. We’ve seen that call made countless times this year for much less.
Exactly. All the other stuff shouldn’t matter. What’s the point of video review if they’re not going to actually use it?
Puck Daddy: “Every (neutral) ex-player analyst I’ve heard tonight said that Pavelski’s goal should have counted.”
2 comments here really make sense to me. First, Why is there a precedent that defenders can maul forwards in an era where we’re desperate for more goals? Think about the NFL. Officials on pass interference protect the receiver. If a receiver is about to catch the game-winning touchdown and he’s hit, they call the penalty to protect offense. They want touchdows. In the NHL, they protect the defender. It’s like they don’t want goals. Second, the problems on this play start with the ref not raising his hand immediately to call the minor for cross-checking on Gaustad. If his hand goes up as soon as that penalty occurs, it’s called a goal for sure. But because the ref let the penalty go it’s like it never happened. That opens up all possibilities, including the bizarre “Pavelski could have stopped himself” argument.
Lost in all this is the long video review gave Nashville a much-needed free extended timeout!
FTF has the definitive take: http://www.fearthefin.com/2016/5/6/11606118/nhls-no-goal-ruling-on-joe-pavelskis-tally-is-unconvincing
Those of us who watch too much hockey know that in the NHL, there’s a different set of rules that apply late in games and in OT. It’s an unwritten rule that once you reach the 10-minute mark of the 3rd period, only a handful of penalties can be called – delay of game, too many men, high sticking, and hits to the head. Other than that almost anything goes. I’ve watched a lot of these playoffs and seen OT’s with tripping, hooking, interference, snow showers, and punches thrown after the whistle, all of which would have been called earlier in games. So I wasn’t surprised at this result. I think where the NHL gets into hot water is this keeps goal scoring down and it also makes their communications look ridiculous. I guess they can’t come right out and say, “It’s junkyard rules in OT.” So they went with “incidental contact.” Personally, I think all penalties should be enforced in OT, but it’s part of the NHL culture now and won’t change anytime soon.
DIII college hockey ref here. Goalie interference does not apply because Rinne is outside the crease. Plus, Gaustad pushes Pavelski into Rinne, committing either interference or a cross check minor penalty. Pavelski scores anyway. Good goal.
Even the Preadtors SB blog agrees. “Pavelski was on top of Rinne after being cross-checked into him by Paul Gaustad. That much was clear. The refs, however, along with Toronto deemed it incidental contact and therefore the goal was disallowed. For all intents and purposes, it should have counted. Luckily for Nashville, it didn’t.”
Thanks for this. The thing that really chaps my hide about the whole thing isn’t that they got the call wrong, although that’s aggravating. It’s that the call on the ice was objectively wrong (played by a hand into the net) and yet they basically created a different reason out of whole cloth for the goal not to count. If the refs said it was interference on the ice and it was not reviewed, or upheld by Toronto, I wouldn’t be as nearly as pissed as I am now.
Joe Pavelski said in his post game interview that the refs said “that they were going to check for goaltender interference too.”
No disrespect to you, but Kerry Fraser seems to disagree with you:
http://www.tsn.ca/talent/c-mon-ref-officials-got-no-goal-call-against-sharks-right-1.485029
Lost in all this is the penalty shot the Sharks should have been awarded earlier.
” no idea how that’s not illegally under a Pred, but apparently it was not pic.twitter.com/AuOvEyocW9
— Stephanie (@myregularface) May 6, 2016″
I’ve been saying this over and over… For a league that keeps looking to increase scoring and win over people in other markets, why they allow these calls is beyond me.
I think marginal hockey fans are looking at this shit show of a call and scratching their heads wondering how this joke of a league justifies this. It’s pretty silly.
I’ve been a Sharks fan for about 20 years. Im growing tired of watching this league shoot themselves in the foot and refuse to fix their officiating issues. It’s like a dysfunctional family that cannot and will not admit they have an alcoholic mother and a codependent mother.
I’ve got better things to do. And It’s no wonder the Sharks can’t sell out home playoffs games anymore. Yes, I know the GS Dubs are a main issue there – but there is a “good ole’ boy” canadian thing happening here that is getting old real fast.
As far as I’m concerned the Sharks should be up 3-1 in this series. If we lose to this series, especially in 7, I might be done. I love hockey, but the NHL can’t figure itself out any longer.
meant to say… “alcoholic father and codependent mother”
I’d say I’m squarely in the demographic you’re referring to. I tune into Sharks hockey time to time and always in the playoffs. I like the game and get sucked in. But then this terrible league does something ridiculous like try to guilt a fan-voted All Star off the roster, or have a lockout, or have a silly foot-in-the-crease rule controversy on the Stanley Cup game winning goal. Every time I think I’m going to buy a Sharks ticket or jersey, I back out because this league shoots itself in the foot. I always laugh at how big the goalies and their pads are. It’s ridiculous! Anyway, how do you blow a call like that after such a long video review? It went on forever and they still got a wrong.
So much for that “lucky” black cat.