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post DOH 184 – Salty About Everything

January 25th, 2012, 11:15 pm

Filed under: podcast — Written by Mike

Even though the Sharks barely managed to win against Calgary, they still lost to Edmonton and Vancouver, and the Dudes aren’t happy.  They tackle all those issues, and speak about trade prospects and NHL controversies.

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    22 Comments to “DOH 184 – Salty About Everything”

    1. Quick2React says:

      Hey boys, been a listener for 2 years now. Love the podcast, you guys do fine work.
      However, I am disappointed in the lack of support for Tim Thomas…..Were you guys given talking points from the whore establishment media as well? Which can be clearly seen all over the web as you stated Doug “no positive comments for Thomas on the web……

      Here’s Thomas’ quote in it’s entirety
      “I believe the Federal government has grown out of control, threatening the Rights, Liberties, and Property of the People. This is being done at the Executive, Legislative, and Judicial level. This is in direct opposition to the Constitution and the Founding Fathers vision for the Federal government. Because I believe this, today I exercised my right as a Free Citizen, and did not visit the White House. This was not about politics or party, as in my opinion both parties are responsible for the situation we are in as a country. This was about a choice I had to make as an INDIVIDUAL.”

      Pretty clear he said that BOTH parties are responsible for the situation we are in as a country…….hmmmmm,,,,,,don’t see any right or left false paradigm allegiance there….

    2. Quick2React says:

      Here’s Thomas Jefferson directly out of the Constitution:
      “Whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends [i.e., securing inherent and inalienable rights, with powers derived from the consent of the governed], it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.” –Thomas Jefferson: Declaration of Independence, 1776. ME 1:29, Papers 1:315

      Thomas wears a Don’t Tread on Me logo on his mask. He stands up for what he believes in and then gets blasted by the whore establishment media.

      The “All Stars” not going to the game is the worst thing for the NHL as far as snubs go………
      There’s your positive comment for a great man and a great individual.

    3. Russ says:

      Paul Gaustad is injured, possibly a concussion. Let’s see if he plays after the all star break…

    4. Haie says:

      DUDES: awesome podcast this week, always love listening to you guys over Mvs.W, puck podcast, and whatever else. Onto business: I’d give Stalok (spelling) and the two 2nd’s for Gaustad. My feeling on the Sharks is that they just really reallly need Clowe back and I do think they can play a physical brand of hockey other teams fear, but it’s a tough situation because if you play like that all regular season long you could be depleted by the time the playoffs roll around; so my theory is the Sharks are trying to just get by with way they’re playing until the stretch, as they kind of did last year. Just my opinion though. I am thinking (moreso hoping) they come out like the Bruinds did last year because the Sharks main advantage is size, not speed like Vancouver and Chicago. So if everything goes according to plan they will eke out long series wins by beating those teams down in the playoffs (averaging a 6 games series each). Or we just get rolled by the Sedins/Bieksa/Toews/Kane. Keep up the good work.

    5. Paul says:

      “Give them a week off, let them go to Lake Tahoe and get waived…” I LOLed on the subway. Thanks dudes.

    6. Tom says:

      Fellas, 

      I like Gaustad, but right now I think we need scoring depth. I don’t see much pressure being out on the top six for playing time, from the bottom six. And I’ll just say I’m not convinced that Havlat will stay healthy. 

      All that to say is while I like Gaustad and players like him, I think our biggest need IS in fact a top six forward. I agree with you guys that right now we are a second tier team. So, the addition of a player like Gaustad isn’t suddenly going to change that. We need more than that. 

      Instead of Gaustad, what about Raffi Torres? He makes 750k less that Gaustad, is under contract through next year and scores more. Phoenix isn’t making the playoffs and if we’re gonna give up a package like Demers and a 2nd – I’d rather get something more than a rental. 

      Anyways, love the podcast as always. 

      P.S. – the FTF podcast ain’t got nothing on you guys. 

      • Tom says:

        Just to clarify…I realize this comment might appear I think Tores is a top six guy… I dont.

        But, Torres’ cap hit being slightly less would save space for another move.

      • Ruben says:

        I agree with you, Tom. The Sharks turned around their season last year when they picked up Kyle Wellwood and became a team that could roll 3 lines and score at any moment.That 3rd line was great for Vancouver, until they ran up against Brad Marchand and spent the SC Finals picking the puck out of their own net.

        Since the PK has apparently regressed back to the mean of their talent (in a good way), I think the Sharks should go out and get a guy that can play in the top 6. Putting Havlat on the 3rd might shake Handus out of his season-long slump and keep McGinn rolling. Mitchell can drive the play in the right direction with out any pressure to score on the 4th line and turn that line into one that can play 10-12 minutes a night during this crazy February-March.

        So I say go out and get Ray Whitney, stick him on the top line with Joe Thornton (another nice righty shot to set up along with Pavs), put Marleau-Couture-Clowe together (with Marleau there maybe Couture-Clowe wont get destroyed by Kane-Toews and the Sedins) and go.

        • Tom says:

          Ruben you bring up a really good point that I didn’t even think about. The schedule is so intense down the stretch that if we dont get help we could end up burning out our top six guys we do have from playing them too much. With additional scoring depth we don’t have to rely on huge minutes from our best players! Good call…

      • Mike says:

        We are both fans of Torres, and while I don’t think he’s as good of a player as Gaustad, I’d be thrilled if the Sharks traded for him.

        As far as the top-6 argument goes, I am adamantly opposed to getting a rental. It’s been tried in the past (Bill Guerin, Brian Campbell) with poor results. The costs are very high, especially to a team with little minor league system to speak of. If a top-6 move is to happen, I would want a player-for-player type of deal, without the Sharks giving up #1 draft picks and/or young players. Also, with a deal past this year, or extremely high confidence he would re-sign.

        • Tom says:

          Isnt Gaustad set to be a UFA next year?

          Either way I agree. Especially if we’re talking about giving up Demers or Braun.

          I’m wondering everyone’s opinion on the rumor that we’ve supposedly made inquiries about Selanne’s availability. (Per The Fourth Period..) Talk about a rental type situation!!

          But those 250 career PP goals look so enticing!

          • Ruben says:

            Sign me up for Selanne, too! Talk about a right handed shot that could thrive with Joe Thornton…

            • Tom says:

              I’d love to have him especially given he could rearly rejuvinate our PP.

              But honestly, we’d be looking at a package like Demers, a first or second, and our best prospect. Like Mike said earlier, we just can’t afford that for a rental.

              • Ruben says:

                Since getting Campbell only required a 2nd a Bernier, I would hope that selanne would not require a first. But I do agree that it would likely be Demers, a 2nd and a maybe goaltender prospect (one of the few teams that could probably use a goalie prospect as Hiller is a gamble with his issues). Considering how terrible Demers has been and how Braun has stepped in, Im not sure that is much of a loss.

        • Ruben says:

          Maybe its the idea of Paul Gaustad that is bringing me down. He certainly plays against tough competition, but he isn’t as good as Manny Malhotra. Trying to get our Dave Bolland is great and all, but that puts a lot of pressure on your top two lines to score every night. Toews/Kane/Hossa/Sharp and Sedins/Burrows/Kesler can pull it off. The Sharks no longer have 3-4 guys that are capable of putting up a PPG (they may not even have one anymore).

          So IMO getting a Paul Gaustad would mean we would still have a clearly worse top line than CHI and VAN, a slightly weaker 2nd line than both (unless Havlat comes back a man possessed), and a 3rd line still worse than CHI (but similar, I guess, in style) and maybe as good as VAN. Or, we go out and get a guy like Whitney, our top line is still weaker, but our 2nd and 3rd lines can now keep up offensively.

          And, hey, when we resign Whitney for another year or two and bring back Stuart in the offseason, the Sharks can have a throw back jersey night.

    7. Pal (pronounced Paul) says:

      For the past four years, I have been the snail which was on the receiving end of a salt shower slowly poured on by the San Jose Sharks causing excrutiating suffering and a slow hockey death! I agree 100% with your podcast…even though the Sharks are a decent team, they are not in the same league as the Blackhawks or the Canucks. They lack that extra “oomph”, or intangibles, or drive, or desire, or whatever you want to call it to take that last stride. How else can you explain being beat in so many one-goal games against Vancouver and Chicago?

      Does it have to do with Thornton? Marleau? coaching? or does it have to do the reactionary decisions of the GM who is in self denial, trying to copy other teams’ formulas, not thinking about the future and a sustainable pool of decent prospects? maybe all the above? maybe none of the above, just bad luck?

      All I know is that the suffering shouldn’t continue too much longer. The suffering that goes with the disappointment of failing to reach your full potential anyway. The days of Marleau, Thornton, and the older core guys are numbered as they are getting up there in age. As are the days of Doug Wilson should the Sharks lose in the first few rounds of the playoffs. I am looking forward to a new team being led by the likes of Couture, Vlasik, Pavelski and Burns (and perhaps Clowe). If I was DW, I would try to make trades and build/rebuild the organization around these guys rather than trade draft picks to get a third liner here and a 5th Dman there. Do you really think that if Gaustad is acquired, the Sharks can get passed VAN or CHI? I don’t think so, if it was they would have won the cup long time after “renting” Campbell, or acquiring Blake, or any other cast member trying the support the current core.

      On bright side, at least I don’t have the expatiation that the Sharks can, or will, win the Cup this year or next. This snail is growing a thicker shell…

    8. Haie says:

      asserting that the sharks are a second tier team sounds reasonable at the moment, but let’s not be too quick to say this team cannot beat van or chi in the playoffs. After Boston’s collapse to Philly, who would have given them a chance to roll the flyer the very next year en route to winning it all? Just saying; the playoffs are a different season where different strategies payoff more than the 82 game endurance format.

    9. Tom says:

      Hey guys… I made this list for another chat room and I thought I’d share it here.

      It’s a list of third line players with at least 30 PO games and I ranked them by ppg in the playoffs. Some we’ve been discussing and some players haven’t been discussed. But I tend to measure these players by several factors none less that how they perfor in the PO’s.

      Again this isn’t to show anybody up but just to add to the discussion.

      Bottom six forwards with 30+ PO games ranked by ppg. 

      Dave Bolland – 43g, 34 pts, 58 PIM (.79 ppg)

      Brooks laich- 37g, 23pts, 20 PIM
      (.62 ppg)

      Maxine Talbot – 66g, 33 pts, 87 PIM (.50 ppg)

      Rich Peverly – 31 g, 14 pts, 17 PIM (.45 ppg) 

      Michael Handzus – 73 g, 32 pts, 38 PIM (.44 ppg)

      Raffi Torres – 53g, 22pts, 58PIM
      (.42 ppg)

      Jordan Staal – 67g, 27 pts, 32 PIM (.40 ppg)

      Ruslan Fedetenko – 88 g, 33 pts, 58 PIM (.38 ppg) 

      Pascal Dupius – 76 g, 27 pts, 44 PIM (.36 ppg) 

      Mayson Raymond – 46g, 15 pts, 14 PIM (.33 ppg)

      Eric Cole – 43 g, 14 pts, 52 PIM (.33 ppg)

      Paul Gaustad – 30g, 8pts, 37 PIM 
      (.27 ppg)

      Darren Helm – 57 g, 13 pts, 16 PIM (.23 ppg) 

      Maxim LapIerre – 60 g, 12 pts, 118 PIM (.20 ppg)

      Mike Rupp – 43 g, 8 pts, 35 PIM
      (.19 ppg)

      Manny Malhotra – 30g, 2pts, 0 PIM (.07 ppg)

      I’m surprised how good Handzus has been as how crapy Malhota has been.

      Anyways, I’m interested in what people think about these players and who they think would fit on the Sharks.

    10. Tom says:

      Apparently Elliot Freidman listens to the podcast or reads the blog… cause he’s stealing your guys’ idea of grabbing Gaustad:

      http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/opinion/2012/01/thomas-white-house-snub-all-star-game-30-thoughts.html

    11. Quick2React says:

      And FearTheFin…….don’t worry, you boys got a lock on ShaRks podcasts!

      http://www.fearthefin.com/2012/2/1/2762897/buffalos-paul-gaustad-would-be-a-perfect-fit-for-san-jose

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