DOH 394 – Preseason with Karlsson
September 23rd, 2018, 3:55 pm
After the monster Ek65 trade, the Dudes explore the aftermath, and the roster questions surrounding the preseason.
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You guys are a little off the mark on looking at Pav’s next contract.
Over 35 Contracts aren’t based on when the contract is signed. If the contract ends after the player is 35, then it’s an “over 35” contract, and the cap counts even if the player retires.
It doesn’t really matter how old he is now. But just how old he is by the end of the term.
Sorry Kent, I’m afraid this is not correct. From the NHL CBA FAQ:
“If a player signs a multi-year contract and is age 35 or older (as of June 30 prior to the year of the effective contract), the players individual cap hit counts against the teams cap hit regardless of whether, or where, the player is active. However, there is one circumstance in which there is a cap hit reduction, a team will receive a $100,000 relief off of the teams salary cap hit, if a player is playing in the minor leagues after the first year of their contract.”
The only tricky phrase here is the “year of the effective contract” which is the first year under which it applies. Not the last year, otherwise the Burns contract would be an over-35 deal, which it isn’t (check CapFriendly). For Pavelski, the 2019-2020 season would be the first effective year of his next contract, and he actually turns 35 on July 11, thus missing the deadline by only 12 days. His next contract will *not* be an over-35 deal, assuming he signs with the Sharks this year or some other team next summer.
Huh, my bad then. I thought it was the other way around.
No worries, the CBA is very confusing in a lot of respects, the stuff around 35+ contracts among them.
Pavs is one of my favorite players but I think this season will make or break his next contract. Thanks Dudes for the insight on his second-half, which was more impressive than I remembered. That said, most of last year I had been wondering what might have been if we had traded Pavelski around 2015, effectively “selling high” after his 41 goals. The return might have been the type of deal we often shell-out, a player, a high-end prospect and a pick. Those assets might have materialized on the roster by now… though obviously we would have been without a top-line player in the intervening years…
I realize this wasn’t that doable due to captaincy, his synergy with Thornton, etc. We did also reach the finals since that time. Hindsight can be tricky. Obviously, he’s a phenomenal player and leader, but it will be interesting to see how his declining speed and age impact his game. Arguably, he has done very well to offset these factors thus far, and still has a big impact on the ice. He has also become the Sharks leading front-net presence and takes a lot of punishment in the process. The further spread of forwards out to defend our blue line with Karlsson in place might open up the slot for him again as well.
I think we have seen Wilson be thoughtful about these over-30 contracts. I bet he gets similar treatment to Marleau and Thornton. Making an extension closer to the end of the contract, than was true for Burns, Vlasic, Couture.
Impressive research Mike, as always.
First off, as always, love the podcast. The Dudes are the only podcast I listen to. Love the boys. Always insightful and hilarious.
While I am extremely excited about Karlsson and love the deal to bring him here, I definitely do not see the Sharks as a contender. Recently, offensive teams with defensive holes – think Pens, Vegas Knights, Caps – have fared well in the playoffs. Defensive-minded teams have not – think Preds.
Will be interested to compare Leafs v Sharks this year. Leafs are all in on the best forwards crop in the league but a terrible D. Sharks have elite D but Jumbo now slowed by injuries, Pavs past prime, and the goal scoring of the bottom 6 is a big question.
Is anyone else concerned about Jones’ play? Not strong in Vegas series, not good in preseason so far.