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Two dudes blogging and podcasting about the San Jose Sharks, straight from sunny California.

post Draft Day 1: No Shark Bite but a Pronger Hits the Road

June 26th, 2009, 9:43 pm

Filed under: blog — Written by Doug

My prediction of Doug Wilson being able to land a first round pick fell by the wayside tonight as for the second year in a row, the San Jose Sharks did not take part in the fun on Day One of the NHL Entry Draft. There were a few moments during a rather dull evening that I thought Doug Wilson might strike. When I saw Chuck Fletcher on the phone at Minnesota’s #12 pick, it crossed my mind that perhaps the Sharks had dealt Ryane Clowe to the Wild in a package for the pick, especially with the big Russian defensemen Kulikov still on the board – but that pick ended up in Garth Snow and the NY Islanders hands.

But the best news the Sharks received on Friday night came when we learned that the hated Pronger has peaced out to the East coast and the Ducks, while they gained some picks, are a lot less menacing at the moment. Having spoken with Mike briefly tonight during the draft (he’s enjoying a vacation in a non-hockey state) he seemed to think the Ducks took the Flyers to the cleaners here. I’m not so sure. What did the Ducks get? Well, they got back Joffrey Lupel for a second tour of duty. I guess he’s shown in the last two years that when healthy, he can be a 50 point per year, second line forward. This is the 2nd time he’s been traded for Chris Pronger by the way. The Ducks also got the Flyers 1st round pick in 2008 Luca Sbisa, who played 39 games in the NHL last year before being returned to his junior team. He’s a 19 year old Italian that has a knock for not being physical enough to handle top NHL forwards. So they got 2nd line forward, a junior d prospect, #26 pick Kyle Palmieri and what could be a high 20’s draft pick in 2010. What did they give up? Their entire identity, that’s what!! I think the Flyers just got a top NHL d-man that makes them significantly better in their chase to catch the Stanley Cup champions. They won’t feel the loss of Lupul with Giroux and van Riemsdyk ready to step in, they would have taken Lupul’s minutes down the road anyways – and no one can say they’d rather wait and see if Sbisa will pan out instead of take a run at a Cup with Pronger (plus the first crack at keeping him long term). Plus history will show that the team that deals away the Mighty Pronger ends up looking like the fool.

1995 – The Hartford Whalers traded a young Chris Pronger to the St. Louis Blues for Brendan Shanahan. Pronger led the Blues to the playoffs for nine straight seasons. The Hartford Whalers don’t exist.

2005 – St. Louis trades Pronger to the Edmonton Oilers for Eric Brewer, Jeff Woywitka and Doug Lynch. Pronger took the Oilers to the Stanley Cup finals. Brewer played 28 games last year due to injuries, Woywitka has played more games in the AHL than then NHL and Doug Lynch is so good he’s playing in Austria. After Pronger left, the Blues missed the playoffs for three straight years.

2006 – Edmonton traded Pronger to the Ducks for Lupul, Ladislav Smid, a two first round picks (later traded to Phoenix to draft Riley Nash and used to pick Jordan Eberle in 2008). Pronger won a Stanley Cup with the Ducks. Lupul was traded for Pitkanen who was traded for Cole who was traded for Patrick O’Sullivan. Smid sucks – but it looks like the Oilers got two good future guys in Eberle and Nash…but still – it’s not a Cup – plus they haven’t made the playoffs in their three post Pronger years…

Anyone sense a theme here Sharks fans?

So good job Flyers. You either just bought yourself a ticket to the Stanley Cup Finals, or Anaheim will not make the playoffs for three years, or the Ducks will relocate to Carolina and name themselves after a fruity Southern cocktail. How about the Greensboro Mint Juleps or the Durham Sweet Teas? “Get your Jonas Hillar Sweet Tea jersey!”

So, in terms of what it would have cost the Sharks to get Pronger – it boils down to this. The Ducks wanted a 2nd line forward, a top young D prospect and two first round picks. The Sharks could have offered Michalek and Petrecki but San Jose didn’t have the two first round picks – plus I think Michalek and Petrecki are better than the Lupul/Sbisa combo – so it would have been a bad deal on our end. We’ll be better off with Pronger on Broad Street.

I would think Doug Wilson is going to try and get a few extra picks tomorrow, perhaps trading down from one of his 2nd rounders to get two later picks to add more prospects to the cupboard. Day Two isn’t usually full of major trades from what I remember in the past (am I wrong?) so I’m guessing that any news on Clowe or others will just have to wait.

post Let the Rumors Fly

June 25th, 2009, 1:33 pm

Filed under: blog — Written by Doug

Check out our latest podcast with special guest, Sharks television commentator Randy Hahn. Check it out!

The Sharks hit the rumor mill this morning when Darren Dreger reported that Doug Wilson has had serious discussions about moving RFA Ryane Clowe with both the Toronto Maple Leafs and the Philadelphia Flyers. As expected, Doug Wilson’s asking price is high for Clowe, with the Leafs #9 pick and Scott Hartnell and young sniper Claude Giroux as the names that have surfaced.

Dreger doesn’t usually say something unless it has some substance, so this is a pretty solid clue that the Sharks are looking to make some pretty major changes. So far, according to Dreger, the Flyers and Leafs have balked at the asking price – but if they reconsider, how would you feel about the potential return? We know what Scott Hartnell is – a real son of a bitch who is the kind of player we could hope Clowe develops into. He scored 30 goals last year and has scored 20+ since 2005. He can also instigate with the best of them, he’s no softy. Does he make dumb ass plays sometimes? Yes (see this clip of him tossing his glove at Ryan Malone on a break away) but the Sharks need this type of guy badly. As for Giroux, this kid can flat out score and is signed at .9M until 2011. He could replace Michalek immediately and make him instant trade bait. His affordability makes it less likely the Flyers, who are in salary cap hell, will be likely to move him. I think a Hartnell for Clowe deal makes more sense.

24 hours from getting some potential answers.

post Episode 53 – The One, The Only, Randy Hahn

June 24th, 2009, 8:00 am

Filed under: podcast — Written by Mike

The Dudes snag Randy Hahn for an interview this episode, and the timing couldn’t be better.  With the draft and unrestricted free agency just around the corner, Mike and Doug have plenty of questions about where the Sharks might go, and which free agents or draft positions are the most tantilizing.

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post Nailed

June 22nd, 2009, 10:46 am

Filed under: blog — Written by Mike

Found this, which is sort of a Deadspin-esque rundown of all 30 teams, making fun of their respective fan bases.  Let’s look at the one for the Sharks, and see if it applies to me:

Clueless as to why their blind devotion hasn’t rewarded them with a Stanley Cup faster than say, the Ducks or the Hurricanes.

Check.

Probably can take apart a computer and put it back together from scratch.

Check.

Thinks Joe Thornton just has to smile and believe in himself a teensy bit more.

Crap, 3 for 3.

In other news, we’re having on a great guest this week on the podcast, so make sure to check it out Wednesday when we post it.

post “Changes Have to Take Place and Will Take Place”

June 18th, 2009, 2:06 pm

Filed under: blog — Written by Doug

After an unintentional hiatus, the podcast is back with special guest Scott Cullen, hockey writer for TSN.ca, who we discuss several Sharks roster rumors including the visit of the Swedish Monster goalie Jonas Gustavsson and other potential offseason targets Doug Wilson might be eyeing. I think Gustavsson will make his decision on where he wants to begin his NHL career before the draft because it will obviously effect how the teams that lose out maneuver trades, picks, etc.

Here are some other Sharks rumors I’ve found floating around the internet as we approach draft day.

Don Brennan of the Ottawa Sun has the balls to write that he thinks the Sharks would consider dealing Dan Boyle in a trade to get winger Dany Heatley . He ends up making a different, more reasonable proposal, but to even float that Brian Murray wouldn’t want Boyle is funnier than Artie Lange on the Joe Buck show. Mr. Brennan, I don’t know you, and I’m sure you are a decent guy – but you a bat-#$%& #$&’ing nuts, my friend. As for the proposal he settled on (Michalek and Vlasic for Heatley) it sure looks tempting on paper. The Sharks shed two guys who may have peaked before our eyes for a dynamo sniper…but Heatley has been tagged damaged goods – and if any of those knocks on Heatley are true, Doug Wilson isn’t looking to add a player with questionable work ethic and mood. So, I stick to my guns and say – No Heatley in San Jose.

On Spector’s Hockey, Spector comments on the rumored two year, 9M pact between the Sharks as, “absurd” and here’s why. As Mike has discussed before, any salary Blake gets as a player over 35 would be guaranteed and count against the cap no matter what – so for San Jose to enter into a two year deal with a player turning 40 this year wouldn’t be ideal. Here’s the other side of this situation. If Rob Blake takes less than 5M this year, he’s doing Doug Wilson and the Sharks a real solid. This guy had the best year in multiple categories since 2006 and if there were no family considerations or West Coast preference, he could easily get 5M from some one else – so let’s stop hoping for Blake to stick for 3.5M – which would essentially be charity from the former Norris winner. He’s coming back, but I think the truth in that rumor was the 4.5M, but it’s for one year – with maybe a team option for a second.

And now to the quote that is the title of this smartly written post. That was the only clue given to the local press now that Doug Wilson has completed his post-meltdown autopsy. “Changes Have to Take Place and Will Take Place.” So, if you want to be dramatic and totally derail your competition in the process, how about this trade.

To Anaheim: Vlasic and Michalek
To San Jose: Pronger

If Chris Pronger is really available, and if there is a wisp of truth to the Kings rumor, then you better believe that Doug Wilson will be in on those talks as well. We know he tried to get Pronger before, he is probably trying again…I have a funny feeling now that Doug Wilson is going to pull off something big and shocking, like getting Dan Boyle last year. The only thing more dramatic would be landing Phaneuf out of Calgary, which would be like a dream come true – and since Mike’s fantasy came true last offseason with Boyle – I’m reaching for the stars. This is my Cinemax Late-Night programming. Find out what Sutter wants and give it to him. Get one of my favorite players, the nasty Dion Phaneuf in a San Jose Sharks uniform. Come on hockey gods, don’t leave me hanging.

post Episode 52 – Scott Cullen Lends Credibility

June 17th, 2009, 9:23 am

Filed under: podcast — Written by Mike

The dudes are back after an off week, this time talking with Scott Cullen, who wrote the off-season breakdown of the Sharks for tsn.ca.

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post Swedish Meatballs and a side of Heatley

June 12th, 2009, 8:40 am

Filed under: blog — Written by Doug

On the podcast front, the streak has come to an end at 51 episodes due to illness and other life factors getting in the way of recording. We plan to be back behind the mic next Tuesday and have a major Sharks guest lined up in the coming weeks to talk offseason changes, so stay tuned.

With Game Seven coming up, the offseason is starting to kick-off. We had some spirited discussion about some roster moves on the last post – so let’s hit a few hot topics in the NHL and let ‘er rip.

UFA GOALIE GUSTAVSSON LINKED TO SAN JOSE

With so many areas to address in the offseason, why would the Sharks be looking to sign a high profile international goalie? Well – because this guy might be just too damn good to pass up, especially with Nabby’s recent playoff performance and his uncertain contract status beyond 2009-10. According to Burnside, because Gustavsson is subject to an entry-level deal, it’s not like he’s going to break the bank – which is a perfect situation for the San Jose Sharks. This isn’t going to be about cash for Gustavsson, it’s going to be about either immediate playing time for a lousy team like Colorado or getting into a great situation and waiting his turn, like San Jose. The Sharks have always been way ahead of the curve as far as evaluating goaltending, so if Tim Burke says Gustavsson is the real deal, San Jose should roll out the Douglas Murray Swedish welcome mat, blast the ABBA and offer him as much lutfisk as he can eat. My guess: He ends up in Toronto, where they can offer immediate playing time and he will be a hockey icon.

DOES HEATLEY KNOW THE WAY TO SAN JOSE?

Dany Heatley wants out and according to Andy Strickland at Hockeybuzz (who actually writes some truth from time to time) it looks like a Marleau for Heatley deal is being floated. How do we feel about this, Sharks fans? Heatley’s detractors call him out of shape, lazy and unwilling to do the dirty work. His defenders remind you this is a 40-50 goal scorer and one of the best snipers in the league. The thought of him on Thornton’s side makes me giggle like a schoolgirl – but the character questions are a true concern. If he really is an @#*hole with bad work ethic, McLellan and DW will not add him to the fold of a team that already has their desire to compete in question. My guess: He will not be wearing Teal in the Fall.

LAPERRIERE GOING TO SHARK INFESTED UFA WATERS

The Avalanche continue their classy ways, downgrading a loyal veteran’s contract offer to a one year deal worth less than the 1.1M he made last year – so Laperriere is gonna walk, and who can blame him. With reports that Chris Neil is looking for a four-five year deal (no thanks), I think the Sharks will be unwilling to make that kind of commitment and close in on Ian La-pesky-iere. My guess: I think Laperriere will be a San Jose Shark, signing a two year deal worth between 1.5-1.8M per season.

So suck it up and watch the last hockey game of the year. Go Penguins, for selfish reasons – and the trades and future speculation are right around the corner.

post Game 6, and Nothing on the Sharks

June 9th, 2009, 2:28 pm

Filed under: blog — Written by Mike

Watch game 6 tonight, should be a doozy.  Still makes me a little grumpy that I can watch hockey, but no Sharks.  Just to let you know, we’ll be doing the podcast a little later than usual this week, not exactly sure when we will release, but it won’t be tomorrow morning as per normal.  Sorry about the delay, but it can’t be helped.

UPDATE:  Podcast is cancelled this week.  Between scheduling problems earlier in the week and now me being sick as a dog, we’ll have to talk next week.

post Lazy Summers With Deb Placey

June 3rd, 2009, 9:07 am

Filed under: blog — Written by Doug

We’ve got a great new podcast with San Jose Mercury News columnist Mark Purdy this week. He shares some great locker room stories about San Jose Sharks players past and present, and of course we speculate on the offseason moves. Very insightful and fun interview. Check it out.

I’m a teacher by trade. I know, shocking that I don’t my living writing semi-witty barbs about oversized Russian defensemen. So, starting this week I am spending my mornings with my new coffee maker (Hamilton Beach Brewstation rocks my world), the Mercury News sports page and my hockey girlfriend, Deb Placey. Deb is the new host of NHL Live, the all-hockey talk festival broadcast live on the NHL Network and Satellite radio. She has replaced the rock of the program, Don LaGreca, who had to leave due to commitments to ESPN Radio (DAMN YOU ESPN!). Those of you who are regular readers know that NHL Live is how Mike and I met E.J. Hradek, who is an occasional co-host on NHL Live. Deb and E.J. are interesting together – but the assortment of other co-hosts teamed with my little Debbie spells televison boredom. Billy Jaffe can be good, but he rambles about cooking and grilling – who are you, #$%&’ing Paula Deen? Jim Dowd – boring. Rob Simpson – thinks he’s funny. Sam Rosen – god awful. I hope that the NHL Network can figure out a new arrangement going into next season. I’m pulling for a permanent team of Deb and E.J (who also has scheduling problems thanks to ESPN) – but if they can’t recapture the chemistry that E.J and LaGreca had, this show could be on thin ice.

Ah – who am I kidding. I’ll watch anyways.

In semi-Sharks related news, formers Sharks player Tony Granato finally got the axe after flapping in the breeze while the Avs courted Patrick Roy. Granato got shafted like Eminem at the MTV Movie Awards. (My Poop-En-Sack. Ich bin Bruno!) – what a joke. The Avs did a total makeover of their coaching staff and front office because their team sucks and they have no help coming on the horizon – their AHL team, Lake Erie, was one of the worst teams in the AHL this year. How the Colorado franchise treated Tony Granato was completely classless. First of all, the fact that they brought him back behind the bench was stupid in the first place. Then to openly court Roy in front of his face after he had to coach one of the worst rosters in the NHL without a reliable goalie is also totally weak.

So, I have a proposal, Sharks fans. If current Assistant Coach Todd Richards ends up in Minnesota, which it sounds like the gig is between him, Craig MacTavish and Peter Laviolette, then I think Doug Wilson and McLellan should seriously consider bring Granato home to San Jose, allowing him to recapture some dignity, and giving him an Assistant Coaching gig or if they prefer to bring Ricci to the bench, give him Ricci’s old job. Tony Granato doesn’t deserve this. He’s a great hockey guy who has been made to look like a patsy by a loser franchise. The Sharks can do the right and pick up a guy when he’s down. Don’t be shocked if Tony Granato is part of the organization in 2009-10.

post Episode 51 – Mark Purdy Helps With Question Five

June 3rd, 2009, 8:50 am

Filed under: podcast — Written by Mike

This time around, Mike and Doug bother Mark Purdy, columnist for the San Jose Mercury News.  That discussion leads into Question Number Five the Sharks have to answer- which players should be actively shopped on the trade market?

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